Killing Should Be Outlawed… Wait It Is
THE DIRTY ARMY: Nik. DA strong for years. I appreciate your view on the world and saw your post from a few days back from the person who wanted to ban all guns and turn us into the U.K. I’m a right wing NRA supporter with alot of experience with firearms and owner of a few. I am hoping you can post both sides of the argument. I can concede that it is WAY too easy to purchase a firearm in the U.S. We make people take driver’s ed classes for licenses and see doctors for their adderall prescriptions, but to buy a gun all you need to do is fill out a document. You do not have to prove you understand the way it works. You do not have to prove you respect a gun, can load and unload one safely, can re-holster a gun without crossing your body or another’s body with the nozzle. You don’t have to pass a personality test. You don’t have to prove you own a safe and can keep them away from children and criminals. There is absolutely no training required to buy and own. I can guarantee that if someone had to pass a certified weapon’s expert’s practical test to buy a firearm, most of these crimes will end. A trained professional can determine who is “ready” to own a gun just by seeing them handle an empty one for 30 seconds. Banning weapons is not necessary. We just need to tighten things up. My guess, based on the 200 million guns legally owned in the U.S., that 20-30 million of them are AR-15s. The problem isn’t with the gun itself, it’s with who we allow to buy them. We can’t ban guns though. Read up on military intelligence from our country and others. It’s almost universally agreed that the U.S. can never be invaded by a foreign army because of the number of legal and responsible gun owners in the country. We take away everyone’s guns, and it’s only a matter of time before Wyoming has a Chinese military base.
I’m not well versed on this topic to speak out of my ass. When it comes to people with guns I listen. I don’t want to get shot.- nik
We are going to take the guns away from the the Racist Crackers. They are all mass murderers. It is the only way to protect the children. Once all Whites have been disarmed we can all be safe.
you are king of all morons
I guess all the blacks shooting each other up and innocent people in gang wars doesn’t count
Gun Control is NOT about guns, it`s about CONTROL.
NEVER let the government control you.
I am sure the give HAS no control over you! You never have to pay taxes…abide by the laws….you will not be controlled huh? Idiot.
fifty million ar15′s wont stop a nuke. just like they wouldnt stop a skud missile being launched from the middle of an ocean.
the gov’t can do what it wants, you just get a false sense of security from gun ownership.
Dumbest shit ever written on this site.
Well said!!!
- There’s been over 60 massacres in the US… half of them occurred in the last decade after the ban on assault rifles was lifted.
- Australia had 11 massacres before 1996 when they initiated a gun ban, since then there have been 0 massacres.
- sane criminals (typically responsible for individual homicides) get their guns illegally.
- Insane criminals (typically responsible for massacres) acquire their guns legally or from a person who acquired them legally.
- the 2nd ammendment was written when people used muskets, not semi auto rifles that can shoot 100 bullets in a minute, accurately.
You want to prevent gun restrictions on semi-auto assault rifles because you have a personal attachment to them, not because you genuinely think you need it for protection. You would be fine with a revolver, rifle, or semi-auto pistol.
You use the argument that the ban would only hurt law abiding citizens, who would be powerless against criminals with stronger weapons obtained illegally.
Hypothetically, if you could “magically” remove all assault weapons from the hands of criminals, would you then support a ban? Ofcourse not, you love your guns regardless of their ability to make massacres more likely. And you will grasp every excuse you have to keep it that way, even after 20 kids get mutilated with multiple rounds each. You are a coward.
I am not completely on “your side” on this one but your post was quite intelligent and you presented your views in a manner that I could respect no matter your view right up until the “coward” part.
I think it’s cowardly for people to let their personal obsession with their AR’s be the reason not to intelligently analyze current gun laws objectively… Especially after these past few massacres.
I think it’s cowardly.
How about not blaming the guns? How about blaming lawmakers for the inability to help mentally ill people because their privacy will be violated if someone finds out they are ill or unstable? If someone could have alerted authorities about erratic, strange, psychotic, psychopathic behavior and something could have been done a lot of this senselessness could have been averted.
That is absolutely a major part of the problem.
But it’s not possible to legislate against mental illness occurrences, nor can we legislate responsible parenting.
Plus, we have to be realistic about our nations astronomical debt and what is even financially possible to offer at the state level.
But absolutely, the mental illness (and psychological effects of human murder simulations in video games) need to be highly considered.
Wow 0 for Australia on massacres since they put in their gun control laws. Yet their violent crime rate has gone up 89% since doing that. hmmm. Taking away guns emboldens criminals to be more violent. But you can sleep better at night.
Lets see Canada has 935 violent crimes per 100,000 and they have gun control. UK has 2036 per 100,000 and they have gun control. Then the US has 466 per 100,000.
Yes we need to follow the brilliance of those who advocate gun control.
First of all, It’s not about taking away ALL guns, just the ones used to accomplish most massacres.
Second of all, your statistic on the violent crime rate in Australia is inaccurate. Yes, it’s gone up, but that’s also because they took away ALL guns. I don’t think that’s the right move for the US.
This discussion is regarding what to do to reduce the massacres.
I don’t know about the chinese base in the desert, but I do know that driving the gun market underground and making them illegal would be the stupidest thing we could possibly do. Ok, so that would essentially put guns in to the hands of criminals and no one else because lets face it, if someone wants a gun bad enough they’re going to be able to get it. And rarely do law abiding citizens associate themselves with the black market. Sandy Hook was a tragedy no doubt, but lets not compound it with another. And that dude didn’t even buy any of his guns!! They were his moms, who was a normal lady.
exactly!!!!!!!!!
well said
I agree with the poster. Here in Canada you have to go though alot of training and testing before you can get your gun license and it should be the same in the states. It isn’t just criminals who shouldn’t be able to get their hands on guns, there are so many overly paranoid people these days that are getting their hands on them whom have no knowledge or education on their use and they can harm people just as easily as a criminal can. Banning them altogether won’t solve the problem there just need to be stricter rules and regulations in place.
Don’t agree with the post at all. Regulations as described by the poster would lead to complete gun control. CT has some of the strictest gun laws on the books and it didn’t stop the shooter. Do you think that every regulation you just mentioned would have stopped the shooting? I don’t. For the idiot who said the constitution had muskets in mind when they crafted the 2nd amendment has never read the constitution. It is to keep the people armed to keep the government in check. No other reason. If the government decided to stuff people on welfare into ovens because the system couldn’t support them anymore they wouldn’t be able to defend themselves with muskets. Our government has already taken away innocent until proven guilty next will be guns then freedom of speech, then the farms then our lives. They me to wake up.
Like I said….paranoid people with guns like yourself are just as much of a threat because you’re so wound up that you’re knee jerk reaction is to pull your gun and shoot before using reason. The regulations work for the most part in Canada. We have only ever had on major massacre back in the 80′s and any shootings that occur now are with illegal guns and usually involve one criminal shooting another. There is no paranoia here. Our media doesnt pump us full of fear day after day like yours does which is why most of us don’t feel the need to be armed.. You’re all so afraid of threats that don’t exist.
Wow this is ignorance at its best! Ya take away guns from law abiding citizens so that cant protect themselves from felons and cons that steal guns and get em from mexico! Ya great fuckin idea dumbshits! How about give every law abiding citizen a saftey and weapons course and allow them to conceal carry including teachers and then see what happens when a pos walks in the movie theaters or school grounds!! Hes gonna be have so many bullets flyin in his ass he wont be able to hurt innocent ppl cus theyll be shooting bak!! Protect ur family and loved ones at all cost! Fuck this corrupt governement and its control!! Our government is the worst and u can try and deny it but then ud be one dumb pos
It’s not about taking away all guns.
Original Poster I’ma let you finish, but most of the mass murder shootings in this country have come from (high school and college) students or people with little to no criminal records yet you’re talking about thugs and Ronald Reagan so…
It’s pretty simple. Regular civilians don’t need automatic weapons, you don’t need to fire off 30+ rounds at a time. That’s no home protection, that’s protection against drug lords or cops storming in on your crack house. That’s a weapon for crimes or war, not domestic citizens. If you really want to change the culture, tell the news to stop trying to “understand” the motives of the anonymous individual and making him infamous. Someone lost in the shuffle will see his attention and decide to become the next infamous crazy guy.
on average since 1980 32,000 people die each year from firearms in the usa (accidental and intentional combined)
aids kills 15-20,000 and for some reason you consider this to be an epidemic whereas with guns you take the head in the sand approach and use the “guns dont kill people” line.
you guys need to wake up
trust me on this.
if they tighten regulations (mental evaluation, interviews with friends/family, training) i can almost guarantee the only people in the usa who will still be able to own them are the ones who never did in the first place.
its embarassing to watch a country so close to mine, so paranoid about “protecting” them selves, how often do you hear about a citizen whippin out there AR-15 and saving there family from some crazed criminal? most scenarios end in tragedy. if someone tried to steal my wallet, i dont feel its my “right” to pump a 30 round clip into the guy. bar-fights end in bar-murders, domestic abuse ends in shots fired. time for change my friends.
I love how the same people who scream about government interference regarding assault weapons urge government intervention for ownership and mental health services. The party that advocates for the second amendment has been the same party to strip and gut mental and public health infrastructure at the state and federal level. Additionally, the argument that banning liking weapons should ‘include cars and alcohol since they kill too’ is specious. People don’t use cars or alcohol to commit mass murder. Accidents and death by automobiles and/or alcohol typically happen due to poor judgment and not necessarily with an intent to kill. Guns are meant for killing. And automatic weapons meant for mass killing. I have no problem with gun ownership. I do have a moral problem with owning a tool whose express purpose is for human slaughter.
to quote Samuel L. Jackson: “”I don’t think it’s about more gun control. I grew up in the South with guns everywhere and we never shot anyone. This [shooting] is about people who aren’t taught the value of life.”
Its about being a good HUMAN BEING instilled with MORALS and VAULES … tighter gun control will not stop the sick psychopaths that inhabit this world because where there’s a will theres a way ..if we believe its about guns and not people lets just go ahead and ban all knives, baseball bats, cars, alcohol and cigarettes, among others, that kill more people that guns on a daily basis while were at it …
But this guy isn’t talking about banning he’s talking about how peoPle can own guns but in order to do do they have to be properly trained, educated and tested…what’s so bad about that?
King of all black’s you are a IDIOT!! “Once all the whites have been disarmed we can all be safe”. It’s your race who needs to be disarmed. You people are killing each other off with guns. I live on New Orleans. There is a murder here EVERY day. One a day is a good day. Most of the time it’s 2 or 3. It’s all black on black crimes. Because of you people New Orleans has been crowned the murder capital of the US several times. You people make it unsafe to go out at night because y’all all have GUNS.
The FACT the Sandy Hook Elementary School Massacre occurred, is PROOF gunbans, restrictions, and strict-requirements DO NOT work. Connecticut is one of the more regulated, liberal run, states of the union. They have gun laws & regulations. The shooter tried to buy a weapon, but regardless of the purchase waiting period deterring the procurement of a rifle. The murderer still got his hands on a gun and killed a bunch of people, all the CT rules did nothing. Laws do not work for lawbreakers.
The only ones affected by gungrabs are the lawabiding citizens, not criminals.
hahahahaa nik! your comment was on point. I agree. I do the same.
look around the world ya meat-head. in canada you cant even buy a hand gun, not to mention some automatic assault rifle. and we have a fraction of the murders the states does. fact of the matter is that you have hundreds of millions of guns floating around, you guys dropped the ball years ago. we most likely wont see any drop in crime in the U.S in our life time, but start a ban on hand guns and assault rifles, and hopefully your great grand children wont have to live in fear.
Totally, but Americans have a hard time seeing past next week.
U sir r dumb, u can buy hand guns and assault rifles in canada that are banned in California. It’s the media that is making these sad people famous and creating copy cats.
God dammit, when i first started reading this I thought it was going to be a lot of babbling nonsense by some gun nut. Boy was I wrong. If more gun supporters and gun haters thought like the person who posted this than this country would be MUCH safer. If anyone needs an example for why we do need guns. Happy slapping. Google it. The only reason it never picked up in america is cause of guns.